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Going Down

Atheists are still going to Hell. An article in today’s Independent clarified the Catholic churches position on this after some confusion evidently regarding a recent unplanned speech by Pope Francis which hinted that atheist may receive redemption for good deeds etc.
It would seem after reading up on various religious stand points that its actually very hard to avoid hell. Then of course there’s the age old action of submitting, redemption and giving it all up to god on your death bed.
I’d like to ask religious people how they would feel if they were up in heaven  looking down towards hell knowing perfectly good people where actually suffering there? Maybe a brother, a sister, a close friend, parent or whoever, would you feel good that they were being punished purely for not believing in your version (lets be honest there’s different versions) of god?
As an atheist I don’t believe in mythical realms and that includes hell. Heaven would be more of the same, eternal submission, chanting and prostrating before a god, therefore in my eyes, my kind of hell. There’s nothing remotely real or tangible about hell, it’s purely a manufactured realm in which to scare people with or say that’s where all the bad people go.

Cruel World

I must confess that the last few days have been difficult. At the weekend two people in the town where I lived lost their lives to an explosion which wrecked their house (and those adjoining too), the cause is yet to be identified. Added to that my dad isn’t in the best of health lately and its causing some concern. For me personally though, my body blow came on Tuesday. I saw an eye specialist/surgeon who basically told me I probably will lose my eyesight prematurely because of a problem that cannot be resolved by surgery, in fact in some respects its just a matter of time. Travelling back home on the train I felt detached and numb, the current problems I’m having with my sight made me even more conscious of matters and it made me realise how truly vulnerable we are in this world. I think in the past I’ve relied on surgeons and medical help but the truth of the matter is they cannot cure everything. The news took some getting to grips with but will not deter me from living life to the full, though I face a problem, as the great Carthaginian general Hannibal once said “I will either find a way or make one”, and that’s how I view the current obstacle in front of me.
Then yesterday came those dreadful events yesterday in London in which a soldier lost his life to extremists, that alone made me realise how lucky I still am. Today David Cameron made a statement saying this had nothing to do with Islam despite the fact the killers had shouted “Allah Akbar” when decapitating the unfortunate soldier who they’d ran over in a cowardly fashion before doing so. The scenes on the news were shocking. It turns out one of the killers was a Christian before converting to Islam. A fleeting thought passed through my mind that you don’t see Christians killing people in this fashion but then images of Charles Manson, David Koresh and Dena Schlosser filled my head (among others).
Many cultures are underpinned by religion and when you have a multicultural society then religious views only serve to increase friction which ignites as they clash. Take away religion from multiculturalism and you’d not have nothing near the same problems. The prime minister obviously chose his words carefully on the news and so did various Muslim leaders on different news platforms because quite rationally nobody wants to incite more trouble but as we know violence breeds more violence especially if fuelled by racial or religious hatred. More bizarrely today the BBC published an article which said immigration was down, was this purely coincidental among current tensions?
Politicians and religious leaders chose their words carefully because words are power tools, whilst they tried to swerve away from Islam the blunt truth is the killers would have been inspired by words from the Koran that encourage violence, here’s some quotes of Muhammad;
“Slay the idolators wherever ye find them”
“Fight those who believe not in Allah… nor acknowledge the religion of truth”
“Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips off them”
“O prophet exhort the believers to fight”
The thing is, people still believe this stuff and similar rubbish in the bible and its time we grew up mentally and consigned religion to history. As for the greater Muslim community here, I know most of you are peaceful and yesterdays tragic events aren’t representative of all but I think your religion is backward and repressive. If we look at its sources its basically borrowed much from Christianity and added other bits, Muhammad’s main goal seems to have been conquest and conversion whilst he was alive and of course that continued after and is still continuing. That said, Muslim fundamentalists and Christian ones, they are all the same – aggressive.
Getting back to the title and point of the thread though, the reality is life is often very cruel, just take the recent Oklahoma tornado for instance, would any Christian like to try and justify that to me in a God sense? Many of us shy away from the reality and cruelty of life because it disturbs us but sooner or later reality comes knocking. nature and life are cruel at times and nothing sums it up better than this Gary Numan quote I found the other day;
“If nature is proof of God’s amazing creation then I have truly seen the light, and the light is black. Nature is genius at its most cruel and savage. No benevolent God could have come up with such an outrage.”
When you constantly see outrages, disasters and murders or experience the harsher reality of life yourself then it’s not hard to see how transparent, impotent and fictional gods really are …

Touching…. But!

I think the story/video currently being played by the news media and social networking sites about the woman finding her dog after the Oklahoma tornado is touching but….. 24 people are dead including 9 children. Why the excitement about a dog? Human deaths seem suddenly forgot as people gives thanks to god for saving a dog! Incidentally this is the same god that just let an entire suburb get laid to waste.

Reprehensible

One of my pet hates as an atheist (besides dogs, I really don’t like dogs!) is the indoctrination of young children into the Abrahamic faiths. Children up until the age of seven have minds that are basically sponges and soak everything up, like animals they go through a period of imprinting.
Parents that are serious about their faith like to begin brainwashing their children early and for reasons such as imparting their belief system on a child and of course using certain elements of religion as behavioural leverage. If challenged on this the parents usually react with its our child we do as we wish regardless of the fact the child is its own independent person/mind. Most religions of course seek to do away with independent reasoning early and rationality is replaced by dogmatic doctrine and submission.
Thankfully not all succumb, as children see past the myth that is Santa Claus in due time many see through the illusory nature of religion or at least question it.
Margaret Knight one of the most famous British atheist/humanists of the last century had this to say on the subject of religion and children;
If [a child] is normally intelligent, he is almost bound to get the impression that there is something odd about religious statements. If he is taken to church, for example, he hears that death is the gateway to eternal life, and should be welcomed rather than shunned; yet outside this he sees death regarded as the greatest of all evils, and everything possible is done to postpone it. The child soon gets the idea that there are two kinds of truth. The ordinary kind, and another rather confusing and slightly embarrassing kind, into which it is best not to inquire too closely. Now all this is bad intellectual training.
Religious parents, especially the more fundamental types like to get the ‘Sin’ word understood early but I think this Franz Kafka’s quote covers things nicely;
We are not sinful not merely because we have eaten of the tree of knowledge, but also because we have not eaten from the tree of life.
And of course religious dogma and indoctrination suppresses as much of life as it can. What doesn’t get embedded in the home will almost certainly try to be so in religious schools or mosques. As H.L. Mencken puts it;
Sunday school is a prison in which children do penance for the evil conscience of their parents.
Though I also quite like this quote by Victor Hugo;
There is in every village a torch: The schoolmaster – and an extinguisher: The Parson.
Sycophantic religious people will answer the above with something like its not just their will as a parent but its more importantly gods will for children to know about him, as Ruth Hermence Green puts it;
It’s possible to pull out justification for imposing your will on others, simply by calling your will God’s will.
And how often do we hear God or Allah’s will these days for justification? All the time. I want to draw on another very apt quote in closing from Green which says;
If the concept of a father who plots to have his own son put to death is presented to children as beautiful and as worthy of societies admiration, what types of human behaviour can be presented to them as reprehensible?

Exodus 22:18

Exodus 22:18 says;
‘Though shalt not suffer a witch to live.’
Some versions have it down as sorceress instead of witch, same difference. Evidently ‘thou shalt not kill’ has gone out of the window from Exodus 20:13 and its also in Deuteronomy 5:17 and of course is one of the ten commandments though I think its numbered differently on the list catholic and prostestant wise, catholic having it at no.5, protestant no.6.
Of course the above biblical phrase is responsible for the killing of thousands or more possibly tens of thousands of women who were allegedly witches across the world between 1450 and 1780. Women didn’t have to conjure familiars or spout flames from gnarled staves, it was more a case of someone not liking them especially if they had an odd birthmark or they smiled at their husband. An accusation was enough for a dunking in the local pond or some other cruel torture to extract a false confession then it was on to the real crowd pleaser – burnings. All in the name of god.
People in Africa are still being accused of witch craft today for all sorts of ludicrous reasons too numerous to list and persecuted for it. Many hard core western christians tell their kids not to watch things like Harry Potter movies because of so called witchcraft links, utter nonsense!
It really is beyond comprehension that people even today use phrases from the bible to justify things they do. On looking on the net I found comments such as;
‘Zika’s comment on 2013-01-14 11:56:00:

The word of God is Yes and Amen! God is not a man that He will lie. As we must keep His words, “we shall not suffer a witch to live”. Therefore with constant prayer and fasting witches and wizards must not live but either repent or suffer consequences in Jesus’ Name.! Amen. Exodus 22:18.’

Or;
‘sara’s comment on 2013-01-14 01:16:07:

I have been engaged in an intense spiritual warfare with a genuine natural witch for over 10 years. NEVER in my wildest dreams prior to this did I ever believe they existed! So far I have the upper hand and I learned invaluable methods to counterattack and minimize and stop her demonic evil. I have only done so with prayer in the Name of Jesus. I will never physically harm this unrepentant witch – I always give her to God because He is the One she must answer to.’

Yep, this is how idiotic and stupid some Christians really are but then if you believe the bible then you’ll probably believe anything.

Am I ?

Question: Am I against anything and all religious?
Answer: No.
I’m actually interested in religion, how it works, how it makes people think and what it makes people do, especially from a psychology angle. Recently I’ve been taking time out to read about other religions and how they work and their belief systems. Most have many parallels and similarities when you strip them down to their core values but customs and ceremony can disguise this. I’m finding Paganism and Buddhism very interesting though probably because Paganism is about revering nature and the world we live in and Buddhism is more a philosophy that makes a lot of sense, though I’m not sure I have the discipline to get any deeper into Buddhism than an interest. Unlike the Abrahamic faith’s Buddhism and Paganism don’t have consequences and use leverage, neither are they controlling or contain the bullshit and fiction as organised religions. I’m not going to convert to either but I do have a healthy respect for them, who knows, one day I might become an old hippy type with a deeper interest, a sort of mad fusion of pagan-buddhist-humanist! (but always atheist and secular).
There’s lots of faiths out there though aside from the regular ones, Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism, Rastafarianism, Baha’,i, Jehovah’s Witness (more a cult), Shinto, Confucianism, Mormonism (what a joke), Taoism, Scientology (another joke) and so on. Most of them born of cultural origins in different areas of the world, all created by man. I don’t know why Christianity and Islam think they are so special because I think they are the least interesting and more odious out of all of them.

Insult

Islam is a very sensitive religion, not only do we see lots of knee jerk reactions from the Islamic world but we’re seeing a lot of stories lately about people being persecuted, charged for blasphemy, locked up, maybe even the death sentence for some. Recently we’ve had the Bangladeshi bloggers, The Egyptian comedian/chat show host who was questioned on blasphemy charges and today its a Turkish Pianist for anti Islamic tweets on Twitter. Last week I saw a video of two young Pakistani men being beaten possibly to death for some minor infraction of Islamic law, whatever they’d done they didn’t deserve what was happening to them.
To better understand Islam I’ve been reading up on it in some depth. I have mentioned Islam in past blogs even though I tend to write about Christianity, though I feel a need to speak out against any organised controlling religion. I do have a few more informed impressions after reading, indeed I had views beforehand on Islam but I always feel its better to read and research before immersing myself in blogs about something, after all I don’t want to be accused of knee jerk reactions! I’ll get back to Islam more at a later date, when I’ve absorbed some more and mused a little longer. If anyone has any thoughts on Islam I’d welcome comments.

Rejection

One of the certainties in life is the fact that you can’t like everybody you meet. It could be a neighbour you don’t get along with, a work colleague, a family member or even a stranger you take a dislike to for a reason. Personally I try to get along with everyone but the reality is its not possible and neither do I want contact with some people.
So, if I don’t get along with someone for whatever reason I always try and remain cordial in dealings but keep communication to minimal and only when necessary, and I’m sure I speak for most people when I say there’s always someone in the our places of work that irritate us or we have nothing in common with. Honestly speaking I don’t have much dealings with extended family and if people bother me in the work place I try to make things easier by at least being polite and pleasant, in short I make an effort, to a point. As for my friends and close family, I genuinely love and care for them.
Now to the main point of the blog, what if by some bizarre chance I met say Jesus, Muhammed, Buddha, Krishna … even Thor and after some conversation and hanging out I decided and to coin an English phrase here ‘They weren’t my cup of tea’.
Lets say I found Buddha to be very dull and bland, Thor and his endless requests for arm wrestle contests got on my nerves, Jesus had bad flatulence and didn’t care who noticed and Muhammed picked his nose in public with no shame. Maybe after spending more time with them (if some even existed) that I came to the conclusion our views differed and we had nothing in common, for a start we’d be from different era’s and have different outlooks and views. It’s like those arguments you get when people state with utter conviction that the music from the 1960′s is superior to the 1970′s etc. For the record I love music from the 1980′s and will defend it passionately.
Getting back to the point, in religions such as Christianity and Islam if you reject the key figures such as Jesus and Muhammed then you’re on a one way trip to hell for rejecting them. In rejecting them you of course reject the religions that go with them, so its a no win scenario, though I’m sure if you disliked Buddha but liked his ideals and philosophies it would probably be totally cool! Rejecting Thor could be dangerous as he’s handy with a hammer but after a few beers and some honest talking I’m sure he’d be shaking hands with you and agreeing not everyone can get along but you ain’t in any trouble for it.

Tôi Kratistôi

The thing I notice when I debate with Evangelicals or Jehovah’s Witnesses is their lack of historical knowledge or rather their ignorance of it. Outside of the Bible nothing is really relevant, even when the facts presented are insurmountable. On the other hand of course if there is the vaguest of references to something historical within the Bible then it must be fact because…. you guessed it, the Bible said so!
Take for instance Alexander the Great, undoubtedly one of the greatest figures in antiquity who was widely wrote about and documented. There’s just no denying Alexander, in fact he founded some twenty cities that bore his name. I could of course go on extolling his virtues and story but I’d encourage you to go and read about him instead.
Alexander is alleged in some sources entered Jerusalem on his way down to conquer Egypt its said the locals opened the gates and presented him with the book of Daniel’s Prophecy which allegedly said a mighty Greek king would come and conquer the Persian empire.
There’s also again alleged mention of him in various other religious sources such as this one here quoting Zechariah and Josephus’s writings. Also of not are mention in the apocryphal book of Maccabees excluded from the Bible.
So lets examine some evidence and try and make some assumptions, bearing in mind this is still research in progress and I welcome input.
Firstly we have to bear in mind Alexander was on his way to conquer Egypt taking a coastal route, ports being of vital importance for his campaign. Tyre and Gaza fell to sieges of varying length before he entered Egypt in 332 BC and was proclaimed liberator and Pharaoh without any serious trouble. He stayed in Egypt a while before again crossing swords with his sworn foe Darius in modern day northern Iraq.
Jerusalem in the Persian Achaemenid (or second temple period) was merely a provincial town on no great importance, an estimated population of 1,500 some putting it as low as 500. So compared to some of the coastal cities Alexander was capturing Jerusalem was just a mere dot on the map. Whilst locals may have worshipped local gods I’m guessing there would be external influences too, from Egypt and Persia who had their own deities and controlled the area before Alexander. From a military aspect Jerusalem would logistically have no interest, god wise there was nothing there of note, especially compared to Egypt next door and the fact Alexander wanted to visit the oracle of the Siwa oasis.
Moving to religious evidence. Zechariah contains no names and is cryptic, Daniel is pure prophecy nonsense with no facts, I wouldn’t even call it ambiguous. Maccabees as mentioned is apocryphal and not in the Bible and Josephus the pro Roman historian mentions him allegedly. Lets forgive him a little and put this down to his writing style, even then its vague, after all this was hundreds of years after the alleged event, Alexander’s story was still popular but much would have been lost or embellished, we know Ptolomy I wrote about his adventures with Alexander and possibly there were other books in the great library at Alexandria but this was now destroyed possibly 48 BC according to some historians. Josephus would have been writing about Alexander some hundred or so years after this. I guess concluding we have to look at the fact Josephus was pro Roman having fully defected after his rebel days, Romans liked the myth of Alexander, several prominent Romans such as Pompey, Caesar and Augustus having visited his tomb in Alexandria. So in my view, it would make sense for Josephus to mention him and intertwine him with local folklore in order to increase its importance or was he even added to Josephus’s writings later? If we look at the period, though the Hellenistic period was long gone its history and tales were more recent and available, and very popular among the Romans.
If we look more into Daniel book 11 then nothing really is gained, vague references at best, kings of the north and south in conflict, visions and prophecy. Evangelical interpretations of events in Daniel 11 are bizarre to say the least. In any case the historical predications and historicity of Daniel are wrong.
What I find ironic about the Bible is that usually it seems very keen to name people through its pages yet when it could verify itself more by historical events it falls down badly. Christians will often argue that Josephus and Tacitus mention Jesus but references are vague. Josephus chronicles many uprisings in the area during the time before and after Jesus in detail yet not much is said of Jesus at all, if he has been so great then the pages he wrote would have been surely overflowing with his deeds? As for Tacitus, we have the briefest of mentions of Jesus and not by name, again this is much after and we have to take into account Tacitus wrote more about things such the invasion of Britain than a mere speck of information he offers about an alleged Christ. Other historians of the day give Jesus no mention.
Back to the main thread, did Alexander enter Jerusalem? Though I cannot write it off completely I would say there’s very little evidence for it, there’s plenty of evidence for Alexander being in other places but not there. Logistically it was of no importance, there was nothing of great value there and in the big picture of deities at the time it was of no interest. If he had have gone there and it was an interesting episode then I’m sure it would have been mentioned more especially how important he was. What we have is desperate references from Christian scholars trying to validate their faith. As the Bible was written over hundreds of years there would have been chances aplenty to mention Alexander, and not just him but other events, instead we get very little of historical veracity and when we do stumble across something vague we  get a solid Christian backing of a crumb of something that can be potentially used. I’ve combed my own books on Alexander, the local library and the internet yet there’s little tangible evidence at all Alexander entered Jerusalem.
You can argue all day though with hardcore Christians, Evangelicals and JW’s and they will have their own take on history, which is just the Bible or their version of it, however I’d like to point out that the Bible isn’t found in any History section in a library, ever wondered why?
Alexander was an historical behemoth, covered by Biographer Plutarch, tutored by Aristotle, an unparalleled personality and General and conqueror of much of the then known world, why doesn’t the Bible reference him clearly?
On his deathbed Alexander was asked whom his kingdom should pass? He replied rather laconically “Tôi kratistôi” which means “To the strongest” before passing away yet the successors who carved his empire up with war were never able to rival Alexander for he remains one of the strongest historical figures ever.

Partisan

Par-ti-san – 1. A fervent, sometimes militant supporter or proponent of a party, cause, faction, person, or idea. 2. A member of an organized body of fighters who attack or harass an enemy, especially within occupied territory; a guerrilla.
I could label myself as many things, atheist, anti-theist, militant atheist, humanist, farceur, modern day philosopher, blogger, rebel, boulevardier but above all I’d probably term myself as a partisan.
Mankind I think is in interesting times. Never before have we been able to express ourselves and be as individual as we can now, in the 21st century (not in all parts of the world alas). This alone is something worth fighting for.
If we look back into the not too distant past life would have been very different, religion held sway over the entire earth, conformity, control and submission held societies in place whilst their leaders waged war or persecutions with whatever gods they worshipped. Words bended and amended leaders justified killing, torture and murder in gods name, it was gods ‘will’. When I look back at British history alone, Christianity has its hands soaked in blood. Step back a little further and pan the globe, Europe, Asia, the Americas and religion has underpinned misery, burnings, wars, auto-da-fé, colonization, book burnings, slavery and so on. The truth is religion, and I refer mainly to the Abrahamic ones have had their way for far too long. The tables are turning and they don’t like it.
People are waking up to organised religions in a big way and realising its just folklore, fiction and bullshit. There’s hundreds of different factions of Christianity alone, besides other faiths and gods aplenty (some more interesting than others, you know who you are Thor and Wodan!). With all that man has created faith wise do you need any more proof that religion and gods are manufactured constructs of humankind? Culturally the answers are clear, look at gods from around the world and see how their identities and imagery are married to the civilizations that created them. Gods haven’t shown themselves in any shape or form except in the literary. Human suffering, disasters, diseases and plagues stand testament to the fact none of the gods are benevolent if they even existed. The Bible and Koran only prove that they are books written by ignorant superstitious types for … gullible superstitious types who want to sacrifice the present for an ethereal fiction/future immortality. Unbelievably these books containing first century platitudes and lies still hold sway over billions but the flat fact is thousands of books written since those long amended and forged tomes of gross folly are far more interesting and relevant (and more interesting to read!).
I’m partisan because finally we are in an age of freedoms, where we can be at last who we want to be,  we can fight back against control, prejudice, ignorance and stupid traditions. I can debate with Evangelicals or hard core Christians without fear of being arrested for blasphemy or dunked in a village pond until I confess to witchcraft. I can take my rationality and thoughts and say ‘what you want to foist upon me is a load of crap because….’
Many say history is responsible for who we are today. So for all those free thinkers and great minds of the past, Voltaire, Hobbes, Mencken, Nietzsche, Paine, Sagan, Epicurus etc. Or people that suffered for what they thought such as Galileo and Hypatia and the thousands that died for no real reason at all apart from religious persecution and ignorance – burnt, butchered or branded witches or heretics in the name of god.
This blog is my way of being partisan. We may be vastly outnumbered still but we are fighting back with reason and rationality against the great man made absurdity of religion.

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